I see a very potential.....

[WickedWabbit]

Homemade DIY SC/Turbo for my 8v...:laugh:

Donor : 1950's Kirby Vacuum cleaner :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

http://s166.photobucket.com/albums/u85/shiftn4dubs/th_DSC02843.jpg

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http://s166.photobucket.com/albums/u85/shiftn4dubs/th_DSC02844.jpg

[boostin20v]

that'd certainly be original!

[WickedWabbit]

I plugged it in as posted in the pics and that thing blows some serious air, I mean serious, only bad thing is the motor is loud very loud, but I can see a way to weld a pulling on the turbine shaft and have it belt driven. :laugh:

And its not very big at all, about the size of a AC compressor which I still have in my car and I can easily swap out using that pully position. Plus I wont have to convert the Volts.

I really think it will work.

Should I go electric or belt driven?

[evolveVW]

moving air and creating pressure above atmospheric are two different things

[WickedWabbit]

whats ur point? i know how it works. if you wanna knock my idea do it in your mind!

[evolveVW]

all I am saying is that turbos and superchargers turn at a much higher rpm than that vac ever will to create positive pressure. What you have in mind will be akin to using a leaf blower in your intake. I am not knocking your idea, try it if you want, I am merely providing a technical critique.

[USOPHUNKE]

haha um seriously if it could work rock on. I cant wait to see the results of it spun at 5000rpms on a 1 to 1 pulley but most superchargers spin at 7 to 15.

I say you will chapnal the vacume pump and in the process take out a piston with the flying scrap.

good luck it will be fun to watch

[WickedWabbit]

whatever, knock if you wish!!!!!!!! if you seen the air this things blows then you would understand.

[USOPHUNKE]

not negative just actual, search you tube a guy actually gains hp with a leaf blower.

the problem is rpms and reliability. it cant be done without bearings to withstand the heat... do a little search and you will see that you will need 1 of three types of bearings.. ball, ceramic, long ones(forbest the name) all need to be cooled with oil or water and the other type of air floating bearing is cooled with air.

I actually worked for kirby in my younger days and know how great of a vacume they are, they will not hold up to what you are asking for anything more than a short quick use.

but hell dont listen to us, what do we know, do it and prove us wronge if you think it will work.

as a matter of fact if you can do it and make it last for a measly 3000k miles of road driving I will buy you dinner. if it blows up you owe me nothing. good deal. you have nothing to lose

[VWTUNING]

very good informative response Brent :icon_tup:


I dont think its very feasable, but could be a fun project. I say give it a shot. I think you were talking about a motor swap in another thread, so you have nothing to lose if you blow this one.

If you get the blower controlable and reliable remember you will still need to fuel the setup. Not sure what you can do with a CIS car but I think you can use a Audi Turbo WUR to raise fuel prewssure with boost. I think thats what Adam did when he first turbo'd the cabby.

[VWTUNING]

whatever, knock if you wish!!!!!!!! if you seen the air this things blows then you would understand. I knew yall would knock me and your stupid neg. comments, goes to show.



People arent knocking you, they are responding to your idea. There is no reason to take any of this personal :) If I posted this thread I would expect the exact same responses.

[VWTUNING]

your reponses are uncalled for and this thread has been cleaned up.


PM sent.

[WickedWabbit]

I actually worked for kirby in my younger days and know how great of a vacume they are, they will not hold up to what you are asking for anything more than a short quick use.


And Brent unless you worked for Kirby in the 50's which I believe you werent born yet, then you dont understand where the Turbo design came from, check the pics again and the Donor, and the pics again, now look at any new age turbo. Look similiar? I think so. Yall should do some research b4 you post neg. comments. Where do you all think the Turbo was designed from?

[WickedWabbit]

[QUOTE=VWTUNING;63290]your reponses are uncalled for and this thread has been cleaned up.


PM sent.[/QUOTE
What I posted is the truth and not uncalled for, how do you think I feel? Having the whole Vine street clique against me? And I didnt get any PM.

Serously How the Feck do you think I feel? Do you know? Have you asked? Has anyone asked? Doesnt seem like you care, you just wanna judge by the internetz,....

[USOPHUNKE]

Dr. Alfred J. Buchi designed the first turbo in the 1907 ish era, it was for a diesel i think

Like I said go for it, if it works for 3k I will buy you dinner.

fuel will def. be an issue but search people who turbo cis it can be done, I although dont think it could work do to the nature of our engines, heat, rpm, and airflow you would need to produce to gain h.p. this is just my opinion, you can have yours. mine is just right haha(that was a joke btw)

[VWTUNING]

What I posted is the truth and not uncalled for, how do you think I feel? Having the whole Vine street clique against me? And I didnt get any PM.



What you posted is your oppinion. I read the replies and none of them were any sort of personal attack towards you.

The PM took a few minutes to write, I just sent it.


Serously How the Feck do you think I feel? Do you know? Have you asked? Has anyone asked? Doesnt seem like you care, you just wanna judge by the internetz,....

I dont judge any one by the internets. As for how you feel, I dont know. I didnt know I was expected to ask. If you want to talk about stuff please feel free to PM me.

[WickedWabbit]

FYI.. turbo is short for Turbine! And if you look there is a Turbine in the pics I posted. Suck on that!

[VWTUNING]

Suck on that!


This is totally uncalled for. Please stop acting like a child or your posting priviledges will be revoked for the evening.

[USOPHUNKE]

Suck on that!

:mad: I am going to mentally delete that part and get back on subject.


explain in detail what you want to do and, we will try and point out the positives and negatives to the idea so you can make a choice on what to do.

I may seriously owe ya dinner when this is done..

[turbosnow]

for god's sake man....think a moment...look at how many CFM that motor can possibly produce...perhaps look at a compressor map for it....then look at how much air you actually need to flow in order to produce positive manifold pressure across the rev range. This is not about knocking your ideas or arguing over the internet, it is about basica engineering. If you came out and said..."I did a calculation and if I can spin the shaft at 5krpm the compressor will produce 1500cfm which with a 1.7l engine will create .3bar of positive manifold pressure, which will result in an increase of approximately 25HP, and need sufficient fueling to accomodate the increased airflow." Then someone would take you seriously, but you have not made any other argument other than a completely baseless assertion that turbocharger design was influenced by kirby vacuum cleaners. Take a look at the first patent for an IC driven turbocharger IN 1905! The first electric vacuum cleaner was patented in 1908.....
The truth is that this is a silly idea with no sound engineering behind it, this is not about popularity, just basic science.

[WickedWabbit]

The turbine I have is a solid turbine, it blows air, and can with-stand 120v of power, which is far less than 12v a car batery engine produces, so brent you speak of beariings and such, since you know Kirby so well, how do think the bearings will fair now that you know this?

[VWTUNING]

cleaned up round 2!


im trying to keep this civil...

[USOPHUNKE]

I think you may have to consider amps also, not just volts and if the turbine... will be sealed and be able to build pressure and not have it back flow, you will need to make a pvc tube with pressure gauge sealed and test it out. post pics if you start this project.

[WickedWabbit]

Turbo snow , you cant be serious!??!?! So a turbo in your sense has to be designed for a car? I have a Turbo IE turbine that blows air, a turbo is a turbine that blows air........... it is that simple, So if I posted a pic of a actually after market turbo what would you say? What I have is the same damn thing, it just is shaped diff. and not sold as a turbo. WTF!!

OK you show me a pic of a turbo that you think would work!

I bet it will look very similiar, very!

DO IT post pics! I have a turbo, admit it, for free at that!

A turbo consists of a turbine and a inlet and outlet, I have all of then with my Kirby. If I said it came from a rare 50' project car you would have said , wow cool, nice find, but since I said Vacuum cleaner you say, oh it wont work.

Doh!!!!!!!!!!

[USOPHUNKE]

Turbo snow , you cant be serious!??!?! So a turbo in your sense has to be designed for a car? I have a Turbo IE turbine that blows air, a turbo is a turbine that blows air........... it is that simple, So if I posted a pic of a actually after market turbo what would you say? What I have is the same damn thing, it just is shaped diff. and not sold as a turbo. WTF!!

OK you show me a pic of a turbo that you think would work!

I bet it will look very similiar, very!

DO IT post pics! I have a turbo, admit it, for free at that!

A turbo consists of a turbine and a inlet and outlet, I have all of then with my Kirby. If I said it came from a rare 50' project car you would have said , wow cool, nice find, but since I said Vacuum cleaner you say, oh it wont work.

Doh!!!!!!!!!!


prove us all wronge, but dont be pissed we dont agree.


my opinion it wont work. yours it will, take your mechanical knoledge that is far beyond mine and build the turbo bracketry, pulley, or electical resisting unit to run it. refuel your car. I will buy you dinner, no joke, I say this cuz I dont think it will work

[j03skat0]

IIRC a turbo actually compresses the air on one housing from one air source with the flow of exhaust gases in thousing from another air source. what you have is a vacuum cleaner IE air blower

[VWTUNING]

Adam posted about CFM's - which is air flow. When your feeding air into an engine you need to consider that different size turbo housings, as well as blade pitch directly relate to how much pressure it will produce at a given RPM.

That is why there are different size turbo's for different applications, its a very relative argument :)

[WickedWabbit]

IIRC a turbo actually compresses the air on one housing from one air source with the flow of exhaust gases in thousing from another air source. what you have is a vacuum cleaner IE air blower

WTF do you think a Super Charger is? Does that use exhaust? I posted SC/turbo. read again!

[j03skat0]

no sir, you said
"A turbo consists of a turbine and a inlet and outlet, I have all of then with my Kirby. If I said it came from a rare 50' project car you would have said , wow cool, nice find, but since I said Vacuum cleaner you say, oh it wont work."
no supercharger mentioned since first post

[VWTUNING]

WTF do you...



Please keep it civil.

[WickedWabbit]

I know what I am doing, and what makes power, and what runs a turbo and what runs a SC, I have a SC that looks like a turbo, without having to run it off the exhaust, but belt driven.....

[Nuksucow]

You obviously don't know how either works as this thing operates at a constant speed not variable like a turbo or supercharger. I hate to break it to you but I highly doubt that could sustain any amount of psi, it creates vacuum. I have seen a leaf blower done on a car and it made about 5hp so I wouldn't count on anything spectacular with this.

[USOPHUNKE]

you need to first prove it can hold pressure.. even .5 bar would be good / then I would see if it can hold up to high rpms to produce the .3 or so bar you want. then figure out your mounting run your ductwork, blow up you vacume cleaner, take out a piston and prob your head. put in your new eng and listen to others and do it the right way.